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19 Sep 2008
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On the validity of representing hurricanes as Carnot heat engine
A. M. Makarieva2,1, V. G. Gorshkov2,1, and B.-L. Li2 1Theoretical Physics Division, Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, 188300, Gatchina, St. Petersburg, Russia
2CAU-UCR International Center for Ecology and Sustainability, University of California, Riverside, CA 92521, USA
Abstract. It is argued, on the basis of detailed critique of published literature, that the existing thermodynamic theory of hurricanes, where it is assumed that the hurricane power is formed due to heat input from the ocean, is not physically consistent, as it comes in conflict with the first and second laws of thermodynamics. A quantitative perspective of describing hurricane energetics as that of an adiabatic atmospheric process occurring at the expense of condensation of water vapor that creates drop of local air pressure, is outlined.

Citation: Makarieva, A. M., Gorshkov, V. G., and Li, B.-L.: On the validity of representing hurricanes as Carnot heat engine, Atmos. Chem. Phys. Discuss., https://doi.org/10.5194/acpd-8-17423-2008, 2008.
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AC: Author comment | RC: Referee comment | SC: Short comment | EC: Editor comment
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AC S7325: 'Response to preliminary criticisms', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Sep 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
RC S7915: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #1, 03 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S7947: 'Response to Review of Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 04 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
RC S8170: 'Follow-up', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8193: 'Response to Follow-Up by Referee 1', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 13 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S9182: 'Final Response: Heat Release to Space', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 16 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
 
SC S7609: 'Latent work', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 29 Sep 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
SC S8318: 'Motion from condensation', Semen Sherman, 17 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8340: 'Latent work: Convective potential energy', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 18 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
 
SC S8164: 'The novel hurricane physics', Andrei Nefiodov, 11 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
 
RC S8531: 'Review ', Anonymous Referee #2, 25 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8904: 'Condensation as Air Circulation Driver', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
RC S9081: 'Extraordinary novel atmosphere physics', Anonymous Referee #2, 13 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
SC S11826: 'Considerations of turbulent friction', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 22 Mar 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
 
RC S8627: 'This paper is incoherent', Anonymous Referee #3, 29 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8635: 'Response to Referee #3', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 30 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
 
SC S8669: 'The Sun does not orbit around the Earth.', Paulo Nobre, 30 Oct 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
 
SC S8916: 'paper contains bad physics', Antoon Meesters, 10 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8923: 'Bad physics: Latent heat does not warm', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
SC S8979: 'latent heat in the atmosphere', Antoon Meesters, 11 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8998: 'Latent heat is irrelevant', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 12 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S8931: 'On carelessness and responsibility', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 10 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
SC S9060: 'dissipative engine etc.', Antoon Meesters, 12 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
SC S8953: 'The "subtle" issue of perpetuum mobile', Semen Sherman, 11 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S11647: 'Comment on the dissipative heat engine', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 15 Mar 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S9342: 'Final Response to Dr. Meesters', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 20 Nov 2008 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S11254: 'Final Response: List of Revisions', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S11260: 'Revised manuscript, part I', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
AC S11275: 'Revised manuscript, part II', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 14 Feb 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
 
AC S12153: 'Appeal to the ACP executive committee', Anastassia M. Makarieva, 02 May 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
 
EC S12168: 'Editor Report', Peter Haynes, 04 May 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
 
EC S12406: 'Final Editor Comment (ACP Exec. Editors)', Ulrich Pöschl, 14 Oct 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
EC S12426: 'Appendices 1 to 7', Ulrich Pöschl, 15 Oct 2009 Printer-friendly Version 
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